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		<title>By: Google Unmuzzles Itself In China [WITNESS Hub] &#171; Sameer Padania</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-2/#comment-272822</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Unmuzzles Itself In China [WITNESS Hub] &#171; Sameer Padania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 03:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the day nearer when Chinese netizens can read and debate Amnesty reports online freely. He, like Nart Villeneuve, hopes that this will influence other companies, notably Microsoft and Yahoo, to take a stand too. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the day nearer when Chinese netizens can read and debate Amnesty reports online freely. He, like Nart Villeneuve, hopes that this will influence other companies, notably Microsoft and Yahoo, to take a stand too. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-2/#comment-271530</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>google离开了，我们会鲜花送行，攻击无非是一个理由，中国也叫他借口，千层浪不会被一块石头所激起，无论是谁扔的。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>google离开了，我们会鲜花送行，攻击无非是一个理由，中国也叫他借口，千层浪不会被一块石头所激起，无论是谁扔的。</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Deibert &#124; Director, The Citizen Lab, Munk Centre for International Studies, University of Toronto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Deibert &#124; Director, The Citizen Lab, Munk Centre for International Studies, University of Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the attacks and the wider implications in the press and elsewhere. Below are some selected sources: Citizen Lab, Psiphon and SecDev&#039;s Nart Villeneuve&#039;s reaction Globe and Mail editorial Christian Science Monitor Wall Street Journal New York Times Globe and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the attacks and the wider implications in the press and elsewhere. Below are some selected sources: Citizen Lab, Psiphon and SecDev&#39;s Nart Villeneuve&#39;s reaction Globe and Mail editorial Christian Science Monitor Wall Street Journal New York Times Globe and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Google unmuzzles itself in China &#187; WITNESS Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-2/#comment-271499</link>
		<dc:creator>Google unmuzzles itself in China &#187; WITNESS Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the day nearer when Chinese netizens can read and debate Amnesty reports online freely.  He, like Nart Villeneuve, hopes that this will influence other companies, notably Microsoft and Yahoo, to take a stand [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the day nearer when Chinese netizens can read and debate Amnesty reports online freely.  He, like Nart Villeneuve, hopes that this will influence other companies, notably Microsoft and Yahoo, to take a stand [...]</p>
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		<title>By: IP Osgoode &#187; Secure IPR essential for China&#8217;s Growth</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-2/#comment-271481</link>
		<dc:creator>IP Osgoode &#187; Secure IPR essential for China&#8217;s Growth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it will do so because the country’s government would not tolerate Google running without filters. Many have interpreted this as Google possibly being the first of other American corporations standing up for freedom of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it will do so because the country’s government would not tolerate Google running without filters. Many have interpreted this as Google possibly being the first of other American corporations standing up for freedom of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ghost</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-2/#comment-271459</link>
		<dc:creator>ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>引文。。。。。
施密特表示，“如果你有一些不想让任何人知道的事情，或许你当初就不应该做它们。如果你真正需要那种隐私，现实情况是，包括Google在内的搜索引擎都会在一段时间内保留这些信息，更重要的是我们在美国都要遵守《爱国者法案》(The Patriot Act)，因此所有这些信息都可以被相关政府机构访问。”

原来“美国的官老爷是官老爷，中国的官老爷就是店小二”，

入乡随俗，在哪国混就得遵守哪国的法律，

国内的分裂主义者用gmail联络政府要求google提供资料，不愿意提供就请滚蛋，国内搜索市场蛋糕虽小不愁没人去分。

p.s. : XXX这么关心Google，一定不会不知道印度政府和Google的纠纷，既然Google能够卖身给三哥了，还来国朝装圣女？</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>引文。。。。。<br />
施密特表示，“如果你有一些不想让任何人知道的事情，或许你当初就不应该做它们。如果你真正需要那种隐私，现实情况是，包括Google在内的搜索引擎都会在一段时间内保留这些信息，更重要的是我们在美国都要遵守《爱国者法案》(The Patriot Act)，因此所有这些信息都可以被相关政府机构访问。”</p>
<p>原来“美国的官老爷是官老爷，中国的官老爷就是店小二”，</p>
<p>入乡随俗，在哪国混就得遵守哪国的法律，</p>
<p>国内的分裂主义者用gmail联络政府要求google提供资料，不愿意提供就请滚蛋，国内搜索市场蛋糕虽小不愁没人去分。</p>
<p>p.s. : XXX这么关心Google，一定不会不知道印度政府和Google的纠纷，既然Google能够卖身给三哥了，还来国朝装圣女？</p>
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		<title>By: GHOST</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-2/#comment-271457</link>
		<dc:creator>GHOST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to sincerely look at Google&#039;s headquarters to remind the relevant staff, I am just an ordinary user of your company, but if you want to leave China, and can only show that low capacity of your short-sighted and weak, can not be competitive in China, this piece of land to survive , But rather struggling to survive in well-being has been a stable environment, if you want to win, then, in any case, you have to stay in China, only the first stay here, you can there may be development, and once you away from the to go, You will gain nothing, and China is just such an environment, he needs only enough time to get to know to develop.



我要真诚地提醒一下谷歌总部的相关人员，我只是一个你们公司普通的一名用户，但如果你要离开中国，只能说明你的目光短浅和能力低弱，不能在中国这片竞争激烈的土地上生存，而只是苟且的生存在已经稳定的安适环境中，如果你想赢，那么，无论如何，你都要留在中国，只有先留在这里，你才能有可能有所发展，一旦你离去，你将一无所获，中国就是这样一个环境，他需要的只是足够的时间去认识去发展。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to sincerely look at Google&#8217;s headquarters to remind the relevant staff, I am just an ordinary user of your company, but if you want to leave China, and can only show that low capacity of your short-sighted and weak, can not be competitive in China, this piece of land to survive , But rather struggling to survive in well-being has been a stable environment, if you want to win, then, in any case, you have to stay in China, only the first stay here, you can there may be development, and once you away from the to go, You will gain nothing, and China is just such an environment, he needs only enough time to get to know to develop.</p>
<p>我要真诚地提醒一下谷歌总部的相关人员，我只是一个你们公司普通的一名用户，但如果你要离开中国，只能说明你的目光短浅和能力低弱，不能在中国这片竞争激烈的土地上生存，而只是苟且的生存在已经稳定的安适环境中，如果你想赢，那么，无论如何，你都要留在中国，只有先留在这里，你才能有可能有所发展，一旦你离去，你将一无所获，中国就是这样一个环境，他需要的只是足够的时间去认识去发展。</p>
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		<title>By: snow young</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-2/#comment-271451</link>
		<dc:creator>snow young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda like gmail 
google did a good job in china in bringing in fresh air and competence
I was sad about this until google explained the reason
now it would not matter that much if it stays
anyway, it made quite a difference</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinda like gmail<br />
google did a good job in china in bringing in fresh air and competence<br />
I was sad about this until google explained the reason<br />
now it would not matter that much if it stays<br />
anyway, it made quite a difference</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-2/#comment-271447</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 05:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people may be missing a point.  Hacking the mail of Chinese human rights activists isn&#039;t done for entertainment, curiosity or recreational purposes by the Chinese government.  People speaking up for human rights are routinely singled out for brutal persecution by the Chinese government.  

It&#039;s common knowledge that China routinely sends agents abroad internationally, to suppress political dissidents, human rights activists and even peaceful Falun Gong practitioners.  I have witnessed this first hand!

This is not about money or posturing or exerting our morality on the Chinese...the Chinese have lived with strict, authoritarian government for centuries.  Based on their collective suffering, one can&#039;t blame them for desiring the same degree of human rights that others in the world often take for granted.  While  I don&#039;t agree with meddling in the affairs of a foreign nation, I also cannot condone the scale of human misery and torture perpetrated by the Chinese government upon what are essentially, peaceful reformists.

 Way to go Google!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people may be missing a point.  Hacking the mail of Chinese human rights activists isn&#8217;t done for entertainment, curiosity or recreational purposes by the Chinese government.  People speaking up for human rights are routinely singled out for brutal persecution by the Chinese government.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s common knowledge that China routinely sends agents abroad internationally, to suppress political dissidents, human rights activists and even peaceful Falun Gong practitioners.  I have witnessed this first hand!</p>
<p>This is not about money or posturing or exerting our morality on the Chinese&#8230;the Chinese have lived with strict, authoritarian government for centuries.  Based on their collective suffering, one can&#8217;t blame them for desiring the same degree of human rights that others in the world often take for granted.  While  I don&#8217;t agree with meddling in the affairs of a foreign nation, I also cannot condone the scale of human misery and torture perpetrated by the Chinese government upon what are essentially, peaceful reformists.</p>
<p> Way to go Google!</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-2/#comment-271440</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google is spouting such garbage. Freedom of speech is only a human right by consensus; there is no way to enforce the UDHR, other than through international pressure. That is, pressure from the governments of countries who disagree with the governments of other countries. No one government is more &quot;right&quot; or &quot;moral&quot; than another.

This move by Google (a US-based for-profit corporation) is simply another sign of the US attempting to force yet another government to conform to their own ideals. We must remember that the Chinese government views human rights activists as a threat national security and social values, and therefore has every right to take action.

If you believe that Google has the right to stand up for their beliefs, then you muat also accept that the government of China has the right to stand up for their beliefs in turn. If you do not believe that China has that right, then by equal turns Google should not have that right either. If you further believe that Google has a right to impose their beliefs on the Chinese government, then you must also accept the right of the Chinese government to impose their beliefs on Google.

The biggest issue here being that Google agreed to operate in China, and so should be subject to their laws and regulations. To do anything less is a threat to the Chinese government, and is illegal.

I may not personally agree with the Chinese government&#039;s laws on censorship (just as I do not agree with the lack of rights available to citizens under Australian anti-terrorism laws), but I defend their right to have their own beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is spouting such garbage. Freedom of speech is only a human right by consensus; there is no way to enforce the UDHR, other than through international pressure. That is, pressure from the governments of countries who disagree with the governments of other countries. No one government is more &#8220;right&#8221; or &#8220;moral&#8221; than another.</p>
<p>This move by Google (a US-based for-profit corporation) is simply another sign of the US attempting to force yet another government to conform to their own ideals. We must remember that the Chinese government views human rights activists as a threat national security and social values, and therefore has every right to take action.</p>
<p>If you believe that Google has the right to stand up for their beliefs, then you muat also accept that the government of China has the right to stand up for their beliefs in turn. If you do not believe that China has that right, then by equal turns Google should not have that right either. If you further believe that Google has a right to impose their beliefs on the Chinese government, then you must also accept the right of the Chinese government to impose their beliefs on Google.</p>
<p>The biggest issue here being that Google agreed to operate in China, and so should be subject to their laws and regulations. To do anything less is a threat to the Chinese government, and is illegal.</p>
<p>I may not personally agree with the Chinese government&#8217;s laws on censorship (just as I do not agree with the lack of rights available to citizens under Australian anti-terrorism laws), but I defend their right to have their own beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Aileen</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-271439</link>
		<dc:creator>Aileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get used to gmail and google searching engine, and I hope Google could stay in China.

The so called human rights activities are the enemy of Com*munist Pa*rty. It is not a big deal for the enemy camps fight against each other by all the means.

The real problem is the censorship. Different voices in the same camp of C*P are prohibited, and the major website delete the rational voices to lead people&#039;s anger from the government that should be blamed to the industries that are suffering the stupid policies. The real problem will be uncovered sooner or later, why don&#039;t the government listen to the kind but different voices.

People search justice on the internet (only small justices).We applause the website, but it is a tragedy of our legistration system. Under the censorship, the bigger justice can not be searched through internet(forget about the dependent legistration system), the website is for the moral justice court only, for example, wivies fight against mistresses.

Website is the the most open platform for voices, although it is under control. No matter how hard the situation is, we should grasp it for more democracy. I hope Google could with us on the way to the freedom.

BTW, Google should not take side when two camps fight. Anyway, I believe that the gmail incident is the last straw not the major reason.

Google, please stay with us on the way to the freedom to get information and to talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get used to gmail and google searching engine, and I hope Google could stay in China.</p>
<p>The so called human rights activities are the enemy of Com*munist Pa*rty. It is not a big deal for the enemy camps fight against each other by all the means.</p>
<p>The real problem is the censorship. Different voices in the same camp of C*P are prohibited, and the major website delete the rational voices to lead people&#8217;s anger from the government that should be blamed to the industries that are suffering the stupid policies. The real problem will be uncovered sooner or later, why don&#8217;t the government listen to the kind but different voices.</p>
<p>People search justice on the internet (only small justices).We applause the website, but it is a tragedy of our legistration system. Under the censorship, the bigger justice can not be searched through internet(forget about the dependent legistration system), the website is for the moral justice court only, for example, wivies fight against mistresses.</p>
<p>Website is the the most open platform for voices, although it is under control. No matter how hard the situation is, we should grasp it for more democracy. I hope Google could with us on the way to the freedom.</p>
<p>BTW, Google should not take side when two camps fight. Anyway, I believe that the gmail incident is the last straw not the major reason.</p>
<p>Google, please stay with us on the way to the freedom to get information and to talk.</p>
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		<title>By: BingFeng</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-271436</link>
		<dc:creator>BingFeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>google Do not leave China，I will always support google！</description>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-271435</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So sad to hear about that as a Chinese and living in China. Sorry for what China gov. has done to google, and sorry for those Chinese who hasn&#039;t got a clear view, and against the rights for speech freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sad to hear about that as a Chinese and living in China. Sorry for what China gov. has done to google, and sorry for those Chinese who hasn&#8217;t got a clear view, and against the rights for speech freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: infocio</title>
		<link>http://www.nartv.org/2010/01/12/googles-new-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-271434</link>
		<dc:creator>infocio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi！ I&#039;m very happy to see this blog . I&#039;m a chinese website master .Not sina  not sohu ,but just a little website .I love google very much ,because she gives me a new life .In chinese it&#039;s hard to find a good job .So I try to make a website and I use google adsense to make some money ,not very much ,but it really can make all of my family members happy .I must say sorry to google for my country&#039;s ghostnet behaivor .But I support google.cn . In china ,there are millions of websites master support google  and google adsense. thankyou! welcome to my infocio.cn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi！ I&#8217;m very happy to see this blog . I&#8217;m a chinese website master .Not sina  not sohu ,but just a little website .I love google very much ,because she gives me a new life .In chinese it&#8217;s hard to find a good job .So I try to make a website and I use google adsense to make some money ,not very much ,but it really can make all of my family members happy .I must say sorry to google for my country&#8217;s ghostnet behaivor .But I support google.cn . In china ,there are millions of websites master support google  and google adsense. thankyou! welcome to my infocio.cn</p>
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		<title>By: Perdere la Cina, salvare il cloud? &#124; Grande Globo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perdere la Cina, salvare il cloud? &#124; Grande Globo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Exploitation, redatto dalla US-China Economic and Security Review Commission. Utili anche il post di Nart Villeneuve (che si definisce “Internet censorship explorer”) sull’omonimo blog e un [...]</description>
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